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Post by ayh on Mar 3, 2005 4:06:37 GMT -5
Hello, I'm just curious as to how everyone perfers to transform their bimbos. As I read a lot of the stories and captioned pics, I tend to notice a trend towards the humiliationa dn degregation of the particular bimbo in question.
I'm not going to start some sort of moral debate as to the ethics of this or anything, after all I read those stories at my own risk, but I am curious as to if this is a basic principle in every bimbo story. I enjoy watching a woman be transformed into a big boobied sex kitten as much as anyone else here, but call it the last shred of decency in me that I really hate to see a woman cry. Even a fantasy woman as she undergoes bimboization.
I've pretty much read all the stories that I could find on the subject so I know that not all stories follow the same vien, but the number of stories that transform women into giggly wet dreams and then proceed into joyous sex are in quite the minority. The majority contain sometimes rather graphic depictions of degregation and sometimes brutality done onto the transformed well after they have become completely helpless.
I guess the point of my post is strangely enough, for the ethical treatment of transformed bimbos. Seeing their smiling happy vapid faces is a sight of beauty to many and it breaks my heart to see them in pain.
Thus, am I just insane and should just shut up and enjoy what bimboization material is out there? Or are there others that share my view?
Or maybe there are other categories of bimboization that I haven't comprehended yet that others would like to see. How would you like to see your bimbo transformed?
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Post by MrGrey on Mar 3, 2005 12:00:02 GMT -5
While not a fan of seeing (or reading) any cruelty to women either, I understand that sometimes a woman crying before being turned into a bimbo is just realistic. It's a way of showing that this is something that she doesn't want. But, I usually like to have her forget all about her former self and enjoy being a happy little bimbo.
I agree with you, the outright cruelness of some transformations can take me out of a story. I prefer her to protest it, but then helplessly come to love it.
Though, I am definitely curious to know what everyone else thinks! How do you all feel about the actual bimboization process in some stories?
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Post by Rat Bastard on Mar 3, 2005 16:00:20 GMT -5
Personally, the humiliation and degradation of the victim is one of the prime ingredients for which I read bimboization stories. If the victim is aware of what is being done to her and the loss she is suffering - loss of intelligence, independence, social status and basic human dignity - it adds to the psychological horror of the tale. And that is what bimboization stories are to me: a form of erotic horror story.
Mixing horror with eroticism is a very potent blend, which has been explored quite successfully in other genres; look at vampire tales, where death and symbolic bloodletting has been romanticized and tinged with eroticism. Combining that horrified, sinking feeling in the stomach with an erotic tingle is a fine art and can be achieved in many different ways - one of them is involuntary transformation of a victim, be it mental or physical or the purely abstract social transformation from one role to another. Bimboization stories often combine aspects of all these transformations, and there are many sites on the net catering to other forms of this genre, such as animal or anthropomorphic transformation.
Several ingredients help me enjoy such a story of "erotic horror through involuntary transformation". The humiliation and degradation of the victim is a particular favorite because I personally find them especially horrifying, and I prefer the victim to be aware of them, because I automatically identify with the protagonist of a story I read, and if they are feeling the horror of their situation, so do I. If the victim loses this awareness of their loss, becoming happy in their debasement, it helps if the characters around them are aware of the change. For this purpose it is helpful, if the victim remains in their previous environment, but in a radically different role, thus adding the aspect of social transformation.
A good example of the latter type is "Now You Begin Your Descent", where, at the end of the story, Mandy remains a stupidly happy bimbo-slut, blissfully unaware of her fall from boss to office-sextoy, but her coworkers are very much aware of her reduction and take great delight in treating their former superior as the mindless fuckbunny she now is.
This type of "revenge" story, where the transformation is applied as a punishment for perceived misdeeds of the victim, is a well-established sub-genre, but for me personally it doesn't do much. It's probably pretty cathartic, if you have a specific person to project in the place of the victim, but I don't have anyone like that, myself, and for me it takes away a bit of the horror, if the victim is portrayed as having "brought it upon herself", so to speak; it's more scary with a comparatively innocent victim.
Besides that, I always have the feeling that the whole revenge angle is a bit of a figleaf, inadequately trying to cover the true enormity of the deed being perpetrated in bimboizing the victim. As if any amount of snubbing, cheating or other reprehensible behavior on the part of the victim could justify ruining the victim's entire life, and in cases of extreme personality rewriting/erasure what amounts to an abstract form of murder: the person that the victim once was no longer exists, even if the physical body continues to live with another consciousness in it.
My perfect bimboization story would start with an innocent victim, who simply had the bad luck to be selected, perhaps because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, or had an undeserved reputation, or through no fault of her own stood in someone's way. The transformation would be both physical and mental - I'm personally fond of bizarre body modifications, intelligence reduction and implantation of compulsive behavior patterns. The victim would be aware of her transformation, both during and afterwards, but unable to do anything about it, no matter how hard she tried. After her transformation, the victim would remain in her previously established social environment, but now filling a different role of vastly reduced status. The people that make up this environment may be aware or unaware of the change in the victim, but in either case would treat her according to her new status and role.
The more of these abstract specifications a story matches, the more enjoyable it is to me as a bimboization story - although, of course, that can be negated through the inclusion of personal turn-offs, like violence and/or injury.
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Post by danavery *friendly* person on Mar 3, 2005 16:41:33 GMT -5
I like the type of stories where by a sheer act of whim or fate a female strikes the fanncy of the hero of the tale and through magic, chemicals or technology is transformed into a large busted Blond or Redheaded Bimbo and if during the last portions of the transformtion she protests and maybe sheds a tear It is only natural. Women are by nature an emotional bunch. The crying is a natural thing as they transition from their old life into their new and better life. It is based on fear of the unknow so when that barrier is broken and they find out how realxed and happy they can be when they become more naturaly female and less driven to make more "Male" lives for themselves they see they have nothing to fear. It is such a good thing for them. Being the guy is tough work.
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Post by ayh on Mar 4, 2005 4:41:22 GMT -5
Hmmm, interesting. Only a day old and we already see two extremes, my own with women undergoing unnoticed transformations into giggly bimbos and Rat Bastards with women undergoing degregation. With Mr. Grey somewhere inbetween.
Though I would like to add that though I do not entriely agree with Rat Bastard, I thought his argument was wonderfully writen and well thought out. Thank you very much for your insight and honest opinion.
I will stick with my original preference that I perfer my stories to involve a womans gradual and unnoticed changes while the audience is present to witness her changes, though I do have to agree with Rat Bastard that the revenge angle is more an attempt by many to somehow justify what would be in real life a horrible process.
So, lets see more comments, this forum really needs some new posts!
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Post by Rat Bastard on Mar 4, 2005 13:14:46 GMT -5
Though I would like to add that though I do not entriely agree with Rat Bastard, I thought his argument was wonderfully writen and well thought out. Thank you very much for your insight and honest opinion. And thank you very much for your kind words. Obviously we're describing our tastes, preferences and interpretations here, so it isn't as if anyone has to agree with anyone else. I wasn't describing what I think bimboization stories are about (or should be about), but merely what it is I look for, in reading them. Thus the stories that fit this personal preference most - whether intentionally or not - are the ones I most enjoy reading. I also enjoy stories that, at first glance, do not seem to fit my given description at all; "A New Life for Candace" by Capricorn One (ht tp://www.bimbosl utz.com/files/newlife1.txt) is a good example. The protagonist deliberately bimboizes herself, giving up all ambitions and throwing away all the promise her life once held, to become nothing more than a permanently fu ckable sl ut for her boyfriend. In the end she commits a sort of suicide, by forcibly erasing the person she once was - and still is, underneath the layer of trained bimboism. This is acknowledged, when Bill bids her farewell, before she goes under the final treatment. He says, "Goodbye, Candace," because this is the end of the personality known by that name; the next time this body arises, someone else will be inhabiting it. Despite the willingness and active participation of the protagonist, this pushes all my buttons as a form of horror story - but that doesn't mean it was written to be one, or that someone else can't find a completely different meaning in it. I too enjoy stories in which the changes are gradual and the victim remains unaware of them; they are merely more likely to require more effort on my part to access the inherent scariness that the bimboization process holds for me, and thus less likely to be ranked among my all-time favorites.
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Post by ayh on Mar 6, 2005 1:22:37 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I do admit that I could have used better wording. You are right that this isn't exactly something that one can agree or disagree with. I guess I should have said "that although I don't share all the same interests .....".
Though it is interesting that you see a certian amount of horror crucial to these stories. I am no writter but I am planing on supplying Mr. Grey with some more requests as soon as my month long waiting period is over. (I submitted an idea under the name "a" and now need to wait another month to submit any more ideas.) Getting back on subject, I am planning on submitting more requests that do involve things like "the foolishness of youth" where a woman scientist creats a youth drug that restores youth at the cost of inteligence, and others, so I suppose that although I do not favor those transformations I am no fanatic either and my desire for transformations is stronger than my code of ethics regarding imaginary women.
And I suppose that is the main point in my interest. The fact that this is not real and that real people are not being mistreated or transformed. Thus I feel free to indulge without guilt. I still don't like to read about a woman, real or not, cry, but I will tolerate it if done well and that there is a happy ending. (defenitions of "happy ending" subject to change.) So I do not see any reason why there should be an element of horror with in these stories and am fully happy to read about transformations where the victom does not realize what is going on.
Anyway, I've rambled on enough for today. Oh one last thing, did you know that in the 1920's the term "bimbo" refered to a large burly man? This term was usually used along side, bruiser, bouncer, bully, and thug. Any thoughts on how this term changed so dramatically?
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Post by Holly Marie on Mar 13, 2005 12:09:40 GMT -5
Hi all, i'd like to add my 2 cents. I do not know how thw words meaning changed so much but i know it does not exist in German (my native language). We have the same concept of the stereotypical dumb blond but not word that meand anyrhing like bimbo. The word is used some times but mostly as a name for a male ape or as a bad nickname for a dumb male ... Wonder why that is since there are girls here that fit the description of a bimbo girl. Well i too thought about what i like on the stories. For me its a bit different. I imagine being the girl who's transformed and i would like to become a bimbo very *friendly* person myself. It does hold fear for me too. giving up everything? Being so depented on others? What's when i get older? The stories end there but i would get older ... What when i do not look atractive enough anymore? Will the my owner/ master just leave me? What then? Since i long to be a happy carefree bimbo who kust enjoyes live without anyworries i naturally like stories that end that way. May all time favorites are still the stories of Capricorn One and Orangutan. I hate to hurt anyone even unintentionally so it hurts to read about that instories as well. But the humilation part has some erotic in it as well. I know first hand. I went litterally around the world in search for my chance. In Sydney i was still to inhibited to scared ... When i was in San Francisco last August i did work as a sleeper one night out of fun. Sure 60$ in 15 min are my best bayrate ever so far but having to do this every day ...? I dressed like a total very *friendly* person and sucked thingy for 4 hours strait in the Power Exchange in San Francisco and while it was a bit humilating considering what i could accomplish (i was best of my class in highschool - one of the best to ever leave that school). But it was so fun having guys admire me and checkking out my butt pointing out they can seee my panties since my skirt was that short or the look of the cap driver when we went to the PE. After all 2" plattform and 7" heels on a kneehigh white gogo boots on a 5'10" tall girl are not easyly over looked ... The other side is that one is not treated with any kind of respect by quite a few guys. Not even the respect a valued toy should get. One guy almost bit my left nipple of. Well at least he did bit into it Thats scared me big time. So it hurts me to read that the transformed girl is not even given the respect a f**ktoy deserves. I mean do you know how much time, money and dedication it takes to be a pretty sexy bimbo girl and not just some average very *friendly* person? The mentioned stoies show that. The guyes payed for their new toys and they apriciate thier comitment. So humilation is fine with me if it is to teasy but causes no real harm. btw. Mr. Grey: thanks for finally writing my story idea "Bimbo Camp" as your "Camp Whol-Nu-Yu" I have to say i like your name better. Seems you take my suggestions only as a basic frame. I am curious as to where this will lead. It certainly makes it more interesting for me to read the story since i can not expect it to follw my ideas. (still i am sad that a few ideas i liked a lot did not make it - but who knows ...) The only thing that troubles me a bit, is that the storie is in your pay area and that i had to join to read it. Sure its a rather modest fee you collect and its your time that you spend on writing the stories. Since it took my half a day to write the 4 pages or so of my (as usually way too detailed) story idea, i can imagine what time you invest into this. So i can accept it and hope for many more erousing chapters. Well i guess this again was more then 2 cents. Hope you all do not mind. Enjoy the stories and hopefully there is one for every one of us. Holly Marie (Melons)
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